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Fr00b Snap
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Posted - 2013.10.05 13:29:00 -
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Nerfing drone DPS in any way will make Stratios useless for lowsec DED`s. |
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Posted - 2013.10.05 18:53:00 -
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Reth Alithes wrote:Xequecal wrote:Fr00b Snap wrote:Nerfing drone DPS in any way will make Stratios useless for lowsec DED`s. While I'm concerned about it being overpowered in PvP, this is absolutely true, unfortunately. You need fairly high DPS to be able to break overseer tanks. I think the best solution is a 6/3/6 slot layout, that lets you fit a prop mod and relic/data analyzer for exploration mode, allows 4 guns + cloak and probe launcher, and balances heavy drone DPS in PvP by not allowing a dual-web fit, and therefore reducing the applied DPS of heavy drones. You don't actually need that much dps to break an overseer's tank. Only about 400 of their weakest resist to kill most of them. And this ship doesn't have the tank to be able to do any of the harder (8/10 +) DED sites. You can reduce the drone dps of this ship without stopping its ability to finish DED sites because it can't tank the DED sites where the drone dps actually matters.
If you reduce drone dps not a single person will use it for lowsec deds, everyone will just continue using Ishtar. If dps needs to be reduced for whatever reason, then it should be done in some other way, removing or reducing turrets hardpoints comes to mind. |
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Posted - 2013.10.05 21:45:00 -
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Reth Alithes wrote:Fr00b Snap wrote:Reth Alithes wrote:Xequecal wrote:Fr00b Snap wrote:Nerfing drone DPS in any way will make Stratios useless for lowsec DED`s. While I'm concerned about it being overpowered in PvP, this is absolutely true, unfortunately. You need fairly high DPS to be able to break overseer tanks. I think the best solution is a 6/3/6 slot layout, that lets you fit a prop mod and relic/data analyzer for exploration mode, allows 4 guns + cloak and probe launcher, and balances heavy drone DPS in PvP by not allowing a dual-web fit, and therefore reducing the applied DPS of heavy drones. You don't actually need that much dps to break an overseer's tank. Only about 400 of their weakest resist to kill most of them. And this ship doesn't have the tank to be able to do any of the harder (8/10 +) DED sites. You can reduce the drone dps of this ship without stopping its ability to finish DED sites because it can't tank the DED sites where the drone dps actually matters. If you reduce drone dps not a single person will use it for lowsec deds, everyone will just continue using Ishtar. If dps needs to be reduced for whatever reason, then it should be done in some other way, removing or reducing turrets hardpoints comes to mind. Reducing turret hardpoints wouldn't do anything but shift the design focus of the ship away from the intended "Lasers and Drones". Beyond the fact that 4 unbonused turrets do pathetic dps, they would also make it that much harder to be cap stable and I wouldn't be surprised if many fits just forgo turrets. When 95% of this ships dps is tied up in drones you can't really reduce the turret hardpoints and say to yourself "Yeah, we made a significant impact on its damage." And I really wouldn't say that nerfing the drone dps would make people not want to use it over the ishtar. The Stratios easier to get into, it has a scanning bonus, it has a hacking bonus, and it doesn't have to rely on a MWD + Improved cloak trip to safely get past gatecamps, and to top it off more agile and can bail out in under 5 seconds if someone appears on grid. The 20% resists across the board also give it better tanking options against non-guristas/serpentis that the Ishtar just doesn't have.
Ok, then lets sum up Stratios abilities in case if drone dps is nerfed.
Inferior to cov ops in scanning and hacking/analyzing
Inferior to Ishtar in running lowsec deds
Inferior to Proteus in ganking people running signatures/anoms
Superior to everything in looking sexy
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Posted - 2013.10.06 09:02:00 -
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Veshta Yoshida wrote:Fr00b Snap wrote:Ok, then lets sum up Stratios abilities in case if drone dps is nerfed.
Inferior to cov ops in scanning and hacking/analyzing
Inferior to Ishtar in running lowsec deds
Inferior to Proteus in ganking people running signatures/anoms
Superior to everything in looking sexy Or one could do the same while taking into account its T1 status, even if it is faction: Superior to everything probing related sans dedicated probers at probing. Superior to most everything dps related sans dedicated dps boats (no need to single out the Ishtar). Almost equal to all other pirate hulls in versatility/power, except the "WTF!" Phantasm. Inferior to T3 in just about everything because T3 have been broken as hell for years. Superior to everything in looking sexy (unless its made hippie rainbow coloured or something  ). DPS is fine at 'close to OP' as long as it has some drawback, personally suggested taking off the drone EHP bonus as it focuses it onto the PvE side of things without killing it if PvP is ones poison.
Stratios is supposed to be speacialised in exploration, why would anyone fly it if there is better option available for everything that it`s supposed to be speacialised in? And you can`t remove drone hp bonus because lately npcs tend to switch to drones rather fast, without 50% hp bonus they wouldn`t last long. |
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Posted - 2013.10.06 10:45:00 -
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Quinn Corvez wrote: I'm fairly confident that the cruiser hull can achieve a good passive tank with a 1600mm plate, and if it can do 700+ dps I will take out its target pretty quickly.
Cloaky Proteus can do 600+ dps with much better tank. |
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Posted - 2013.10.06 11:22:00 -
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Quinn Corvez wrote:Fr00b Snap wrote:Quinn Corvez wrote: I'm fairly confident that the cruiser hull can achieve a good passive tank with a 1600mm plate, and if it can do 700+ dps I will take out its target pretty quickly. Cloaky Proteus can do 600+ dps with much better tank. Your not telling me anything I don't already know... What is your point? That the stratios should be better than a t3? 
I`m telling you that it is tradeoff dps for tank and i do think that Stratios should be better than Proteus in terms of cloaky ganking. Because T3`s were supposed to be able to everything that specialised ships do, but less efficiently. Stratios is in fact specialised ship according to OP to cloaky gank people. |
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Posted - 2013.10.06 21:37:00 -
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Xequecal wrote:Bouh Revetoile wrote:
Indeed, but if we go for details like this, we should stop these ridiculous numbers considering oh dps with blasters/void in the Stratios too and start talking about more rational things.
The Proteus does almost no DPS at 15km. The Stratios does 75% of its DPS at 15km. Also no one requires that you fit blasters. You can use lasers or ACs.
Why would Proteus decloak at 15km? |
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Posted - 2013.10.08 13:34:00 -
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Omnathious Deninard wrote:Sir Mattsimus wrote:
The idea that Sisters of Eve ships be relegated to a GÇ£stepping stoneGÇ¥ is a travesty.
They have there own role as an all in one exploration ship capable of doing both combat sites and relic and data sites. A T3 can get close but lacks the mid slots to keep the analyzers fit.
People will not use Stratios as all in one exploration, simply because you will need mid slots for omnis and probably sebo, because ship lacks drone tracking and range bonuses. It will not use high slots for guns because it will need to fit drone link augmentors. I don`t see people using any of these 2 for only relic and data sites, because covops have better virus strength, is cheaper and prof sites don`t have any npcs in them, rendering any combat abilities useless for prof sites, even if you say that combat abilities are needed to fend off other players, then no one will uncloak on top of you unless they are sure that they have upper hand or have friends waiting to login,undock or jump in to system. In current state these ships are just expensive killmails if used for PVE side of exploration, because there are other better options for every single thing these specialised exploration ships are suposed to do.
On the other hand Stratios seems to be good for PVP side of exploration, removing turret hardpoints will stop people screaming about cloaky 1111!!! DPS, but then CCP could give it neut, nos bonus rename it to Father Pilgrim and be done with it. |
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